I usually try to be respectful of all people and all beliefs. But this is something I was thinking about the other day based solely on experiences at this one online site for mothers.
I’ve been a member of this mom site for a year and a half and in that time I have seen some down right nasty things being written about people by Christians. That’s just the personal stuff. Then you get into the debates about politics and religion and it gets insane.
*DISCLAIMER*This is my personal experience and I KNOW not all Christians are like this. I have also met some very nice Christians who also don’t condone the behavior I have witnessed. I also know the Christians I know in real life are not like this. They are good, caring people that don’t care what I believe as long as I am a good person. I also realize the relative anonymity of the internet allows for certain behaviors that would not otherwise come to the surface but that just makes me even more suspect of Christians as a whole because I wonder what they would say or do if societal limitations weren’t there.
Anyway this is my observation:
From the debate over the Pledge containing “under god” and “in god we trust” being on our money–this is what I see.
atheist (or other person for removal): Having “under god” in the Pledge is a violation of the 1st amendment and should be removed.
Christian (usually a fundamentalist): Wah, you are oppressing me, it’s not fair, why don’t you like Christians? Why are you so mean? WAH! [then they throw a tissy fit when asked to explain how upholding the 1st amendment oppresses them or how removal will effect their faith in god. Then they usually go on to blame atheists and the ACLU for ruining America.]
I’m not trying to be rude but this is seriously what I hear in my head whenever this debate comes up. It sounds like the Christians are a bunch of whiny babies that need a nap or a time-out. It is like my kids fighting over a toy. Child A has had a toy for a long while but really isn’t playing with it. Child B asks to play with said toy and then Child A throws a tantrum saying it isn’t fair and refuses to share.
From the debate over homosexuals being allowed to marry:
GLBT supporter: All people are equal and should have equal rights.
Christian: WAH! No, no, no, I won’t share the word marriage. God loves sinners but hates the sin, Wah, it offends me, Wah, what about the children…how can I explain it to them. WAH! [followed by another tissy fit when asked to explain exactly how gays getting married effects their marriage or their life in any way]
Hey, way to look like a bunch of jack asses. Even many of the Christians at this mom site are offended by this behavior. If my children acted this way I would send them to the corner until they could be civil with each other.
From the debate over removing “Christmas” from schools and other government buildings:
atheist (and other supporters): Unless all beliefs are encompassed then none should be signaled out.
Christian: Wah, but it was like that forever. It isn’t fair! Wah, we’re being oppressed because we can’t practice our religion anywhere anymore. [followed by another temper tantrum]
This debate I find hilarious. And the cry of “oppression” is just ridiculous. It is sad that they consider freedom of religion (one of our country’s founding principals) and religious equality to be oppression.
Taking the Christmas pageant out of a public school is NOT oppression. It is simply not signaling out Christian traditions as any more important then other traditions. And the fact of the matter is not everyone is Christian.
I can only imagine the outrage if an atheist wanted to teach all the kids about their beliefs (or lack there of) to a class of 4th graders. Parents would be beating down the school board’s doors with torches and pitchforks. But they have no problem trying to push creationism as real science and teach ALL children (including non-Christians) that what the Bible says is 100% truth.
From a couple of posts I just witnessed on the mom’s site:
Question A is posed by a non-Christian (most likely agnostic although she doesn’t actually say) as to how she should go about teaching her 4yo daughter about the idea of god without indoctrinating her.
She got many good answers about checking out a UU church or different books (from both an atheist/agnostic standpoint and a Christian one); all very civil and informative. But there were also about 8 or so answers that just came right out and said she should ONLY be teaching the Christian version of god as described in the Bible and a couple insinuated that she was a bad mother and raising her child wrong by not teaching her god and Jesus were the only way to heaven (never mind this mother doesn’t believe those things herself). Then she was told she NEEDS to figure out what she believes, but only as long is it is the Christian beliefs because she was dooming her family to hell.
Yeah, right. She ended up having to defend her non-beliefs to these idiots while trying to glean some useful information from the other responders (most of who were also Christian).
Question B is posed by a Christian about having “homosexual” type dreams and how can she get them to stop. Normally I wouldn’t even have read the question because it was obviously posed by a Christian to other Christians but there were over 35 answers and I wanted to see what people had to say about such a touchy subject.
What happened was Christians (mostly helpful ones) posted some suggestions along with some practical advice. Then there were some non-Christians that answered that there was nothing wrong with her dreams or that living by the Bible was silly if it was making her so uncomfortable. A few people with New Age philosophies jumped in with some dream interpretations (trying to be helpful which I found pointless because this person was obviously a fundamentalist so would automatically reject the dream interpretations).
Then the Christians got their panties all in a twist because the non-Christians had given answers based on what they believe and that was just wrong.
From what I can gather from these two topics is that Christians feel they should inject their beliefs into every one else’s lives but if other people try to give Christians advice based on their beliefs it is wrong and Christians are then “offended” or “oppressed” in some way because of this.
It pretty much supports my view that they are a bunch of whiny babies. They remind me of my 8yo daughter who demands that her sister share all her toys with her because it is only fair but then when the 5yo wants to use something that belongs to the 8yo she throws a horrendous fit and says it isn’t fair that she has to share anything.
What it boils down to in my mind is right now Christians are the majority and because of that have somewhat of a control over society (although they seem to think the opposite). Laws are still made based on their morals and their values, disregarding all other people’s beliefs. So when the minority finally speaks up and says, “um, yeah, we live here, too, and we’d like to be treated equally” they freak out because that means giving up some power, control, prestige. It is to say they are not the top dog any more.
From what I can see Christians want all sorts of respect for their beliefs but don’t want to give any out. The ones that say that is a lie are usually the ones that are the worst offenders. They are the ones that cry “oppression” when someone says god doesn’t belong in public schools then turn around and tell Pagans and atheists that they are evil, devil worshipers and they are going to hell and are abusing their children by not taking them to church (yes I have had people tell me this). But that is a rant for another post about the hypocrisy of Christians.
In the end it comes down to this simple tirade, “it’s mine and you can’t have it” about the dwindling power Christians hold in our society.